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re: NY Times: Pentagon’s UFO Program - aerospace/esoteric/quantum mechanics pg25 update*
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https://www.defensenews.com/smr/reagan-defense-forum/2019/12/08/barrett-rogers-plan-to-declassify-black-space-programs/

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Reagan Defense Forum

Barrett, Rogers consider declassifying secretive space programs

By: Nathan Strout 5 days ago


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SIMI VALLEY, California — The U.S. Air Force’s top civilian and a key member of Congress agreed Saturday on the need to declassify a large amount of information about America’s military space programs to both intimidate foes and encourage support among the public.

“Declassifying some of what is currently held in secure vaults would be a good idea,” Air Force Secretary Barbara Barrett said during a panel at the Reagan National Defense Forum. “You would have to be careful about what we declassify, but there is much more classified than what needs to be.”

Fellow panelist Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Ala., said he met with the secretary earlier in the week to discuss that very issue, calling the information on space programs “overwhelmingly classified.”


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For Rogers, that overclassification is one of the reasons it’s been so difficult for him and others to build support both in the public and with other members of Congress for a Space Force, a sixth branch of the military under the Air Force uniquely focused on space as a war-fighting domain.


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Once Americans have access to that currently classified data, they will throw their support behind a Space Force, he concluded.


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A synchronicity that I have been sitting on for a while (think about the Greek discussions in this thread...)

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Yes he is from Athens (Ohio)
He may indeed be a little g god




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The nuclear ties that bind...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-real-reasons-the-us-government-is-so-secretive-about-ufos

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The real reasons the US government is so secretive about UFOs
by Tom Rogan | December 17, 2019 06:00 AM


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Two years ago Sunday, the New York Times broke the stunning story of a secret Pentagon program to study unidentified flying objects. That story led me to delve into this strange world. I've learned some interesting stuff about UFOs ("unidentified aerial phenomena," or "UAP," as the Pentagon refers to them) since then. But there's one problem.

The United States government makes it very hard to figure out what and where UFO-related stuff is going on. Is that because the government is behind some great conspiracy to cover up the proof of alien visitation to Earth? Is it because the government is in cahoots with alien species to create human-alien hybrids? Perhaps, but I suspect not. What I believe is really going on here is that the few individuals in the U.S. government who know about this issue believe the phenomena might be a threat. And that they don't know how to deal with it.

So, what informs the government's fear? Well, first off, the nuclear issue.


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Because the government's assessment, though they won't admit it, is that the UFOs are popping up near the aircraft carriers due to those carriers being nuclear-powered. Note also that UFOs also like to pop up near nuclear submarines and Air Force nuclear weapons bases. Now recognize that this paradigm has been occurring since the Manhattan Project operations at Los Alamos, New Mexico, and also at nuclear sites in the Soviet Union and Russia.

Oh, and as Robert Hastings documents, these UFOs have sometimes even temporarily shut down U.S. nuclear weapons systems. Interesting, right? Now recall what I just said: The modern UFO phenomena really gets going at exactly the same time as the Manhattan Project. Has humanity's perfection of nuclear energy piqued someone or something's curiosity in us?


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Well, with the need to keep pushing this issue. But also with confidence. It will take time, but we'll get to the truth eventually. After all, the UFOs keep popping up. And considering their ability to cloak, there's only one obvious answer as to why they let themselves be seen.

At least sometimes, they want to be seen.


The fact that this phenomena seems tied to the development of nuclear technology leads me to speculate:

The phenomena may originate on this planet (breakaway civilization vs ultraterrestrials) and have a stake in the well being of this planet (live within the planet/ocean and harvest surface resources when they need them = pastured cattle)

It may be interdimensional tied to this planet / realm

It may need humanity alive /thriving to live in a symbiosis of sorts

This fits better than an advanced civilization living on another planet coming over to altruistically monitor things (unless we are quarantined to this planet as we are their bioweapons who are made to fight wars/evolve technology for war)


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The 2nd pilot in the Nimitz encounter now speaking publicly...

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/tic-tac-ufo-video-q-and-a-with-navy-pilot-chad-underwood.html

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Navy Pilot Who Filmed the ‘Tic Tac’ UFO Speaks: ‘It Wasn’t Behaving by the Normal Laws of Physics’
By Matthew Phelan


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In the 15 years since Chad Underwood recorded a bizarre and erratic UFO — now called “the Tic Tac,” a name Underwood himself came up with — from the infrared camera on the left wing of his F/A-18 Super Hornet, he’s become a flight instructor, a civilian employee in the aerospace industry, and a father. But he has not yet spoken publicly about what he saw that day, even now, two years after his video made the front page of the New York Times. As he explained before speaking with Intelligencer, Underwood has mostly wanted to avoid having his name “attached to the ‘little green men’ crazies that are out there.”


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Was that named based on what you saw with your own eyes, or from looking at the screen on the camera?

No. I was more concentrated on looking at the FLIRAdvanced Targeting Forward Looking Infrared (ATFLIR) is an optical electric- and thermal-imaging system that was developed for U.S. Navy pilots by Raytheon in the late 1990s, mainly for the detection and identification of tactical targets and the delivery of autonomous precision targeting to smart weapons. In the mid-2000s, as well as today, ATFLIR was capable of detecting and tracking targets within a range of 40 nautical miles. . It was inside of 20 miles. You’re not going to see it with your own eyes until probably 10 miles, and then you’re not going to be able to visually track it until you’re probably inside of five miles, which is where Dave Fravor said that he saw it. So, at that point I didn’t see anything with my eyeballs. I was more concerned with tracking it, making sure that the videotape was on so that I could bring something back to the ship, so that the intel folks could dissect whatever it is that I captured. The thing that stood out to me the most was how erratic it was behaving. And what I mean by “erratic” is that its changes in altitude, air speed, and aspect were just unlike things that I’ve ever encountered before flying against other air targets. It was just behaving in ways that aren’t physically normal. That’s what caught my eye. Because, aircraft, whether they’re manned or unmanned, still have to obey the laws of physics. They have to have some source of lift, some source of propulsion. The Tic Tac was not doing that. It was going from like 50,000 feet to, you know, a hundred feet in like seconds, which is not possible.

And it was doing that during your engagement too?

Yes. That was the thing that was the most interesting to me: how erratic this thing wasJim Gillingham, an engineering consultant who worked on ATFLIR for Raytheon, suggested in an interview with Intelligencer that “if there were several things in the sky to look at, but none were quite where the pilot was trying to look,” it might produce erratic results, a glitch he’d experienced using the ATFLIR to track planes from the ground during development testing. “We ran into this when trying to get a lock and there were two aircraft climbing out. (LAX has four parallel runways). Sometimes the image would switch back and forth vigorously until we took steps to bias the lock some way.” . If it was obeying physics like a normal object that you would encounter in the sky — an aircraft, or a cruise missile, or some sort of special project that the government didn’t tell you about — that would have made more sense to me. The part that drew our attention was how it wasn’t behaving within the normal laws of physics. You’re up there flying, like, “Okay. It’s not behaving in a manner that’s predictable or is normal by how flying objects physically move.”



Highly trained observer (corroborating other highly trained observers)



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The biggest story religated to 'kooks and back channels.'


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lol the space force beamed you up?


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lol the space force beamed you up?


Are you trolling or are you a universal contrarian?


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I'm asking bob. I'm also not really a contrarian on this topic. I believe we have had technology for a long time. The Belgian Wave, the Hudson Valley stuff, the So Illinois, etc. that were seen by thousands of people. Those are ours. Michael Schratt lays it all out.


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I'm also not really a contrarian on this topic. I believe we have had technology for a long time. The Belgian Wave, the Hudson Valley stuff, the So Illinois, etc. that were seen by thousands of people. Those are ours. Michael Schratt lays it all out.


Fair enough

I heard Schratt on Richard Dolan and Forum Borealis (which I have been listening to this week)

FWIW, I do not believe in every conspiracy theory. I do believe that some things connect/interrelate going very far back and deep into the rabbit hole

I have met this wall with others in different thread (it is just a political thing, it is just a black space program thing, etc...)

I collate data from “disparate” fields (and often get grief for it)
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TPA, tell me your thoughts on how UFO phenomenon and religion coincide.

Not trolling. It seems clear higher intelligence has been interacting with humanity for a long time and has been written about in every culture, even the bible.

Says Elijah was taken in a whirlwind and chariot from heaven. Enoch "walled with god and was no more; for God took him". Ezekiel visions. The cloud that went before the Israelites by day and was a pillar of fire by night. It Even said it turned and looked at the Egyptians and the Egyptians were frightened.

In New testament we read about Peter being in a trance not asleep, and a "sheet came from heaven and landed opening to every unclean beast". Said he could not move.

Even sounds like a UFO comes in revelations as the New Jerusalem and the dimensions are given to its size.

I do believe in God. I also believe he created way more than us, along with parallel universes and other dimensions we can't fathom and only sometimes do they blend in so we can see.


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lol the space force beamed you up?


Surprisingly, yes.


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https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/06/uk/helen-sharman-aliens-exist-scli-scn-gbr-intl/index.html

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Aliens definitely exist and they could be living among us on Earth, says Britain's first astronaut
By Rob Picheta, CNN Updated 1637 GMT (0037 HKT) January 6, 2020


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Aliens definitely exist, Britain's first astronaut has said -- and it's possible they're living among us on Earth but have gone undetected so far. Helen Sharman, who visited the Soviet Mir space station in 1991, told the Observer newspaper on Sunday that "aliens exist, there's no two ways about it." "There are so many billions of stars out there in the universe that there must be all sorts of different forms of life," she went on. "Will they be like you and me, made up of carbon and nitrogen? Maybe not." Then, in a tantalizing theory that should probably make you very suspicious of your colleagues, Sharman added: "It's possible they're here right now and we simply can't see them."


Ultraterrestrials... have been discussed in this thread


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Ezekiel visions


Not TPA obviously but the UFO/religion link is something I'm interested in greatly.

In regards to Ezekiel, I believe his vision was likely induced by psychadellic drugs and what he was describing was DNA.

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We compared the Ezekiel’s Vision (Ezeliel1:4 to 3:6, consecutive 1000-word paragraphs) with the molecular biological discoveries (DNA structure and functions) and gained the surprising results: both of “Ezekiel’s Vision” and biological scientists described the same event, human DNA is right-handed double helical molecule that composed by four kinds of nucleotides encoding the human biological body and basic emotion, even though they had different “civilization” and used different “terminological words”. This study verified the concordance of Ezekiel’s Vision with DNA from its major figure, characters to details. Our thesis suggested that the source of Ezekiel’s Vision was a dream or hallucination that provides important clues for further researching what dreams may come. Keywords: Bible; Ezekiel; DNA; nucleotide; dream


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The above was a Chinese research team's comparative analysis of the Book of Ezekiel and the characteristics of DNA. A lot of people won't like this claim, but I believe there is a strong body of evidence suggesting the Biblical authors were relaying these "visions" they were having while high on the muscarine mushroom. And what's so fascinating about it all is the apparent scientific knowledge they were encoding in their works because of it.

They aren't the only ones who were able to visualize DNA while high. Francis Crick, the man who discovered the double helix nature of DNA did so while high on LSD.

As far as UFOs and religion are concerned, there is little doubt in my mind that whatever it is that is responsible for abduction scenarios has been at it for a very long time. Used to be they weren't considered aliens. Instead people blamed the abductions on fairies, devils, gnomes, etc, but as our base of scientific knowledge grew larger, the Boogeyman got more sophisticated. As soon as we started talking about building rockets to go to the moon with, the fairies became space aliens. But the characteristics of people's encounters with these beings didn't change.

I once read a story about some guys out on the river at night in Colonial Massachusetts. Sometime in the 1700s I think. Anyways, they're floating down the river when all a sudden this luminous object appears that they recollect looked like a glowing pig. It just hoovered over them for a minute and the next thing they know hours have passed and they've been reinserted into the river ABOVE where they had put in at. They were floating back to their starting point. Classic abduction scenario stuff but it happened hundreds of years ago.

All that is just to say that whatever is responsible for that stuff has been around a long time. Whoever it is they obviously possess science we don't understand. Someone once tried to use an analogy of trying to teach calculus to a dog. You can't teach a dog calculus, but you can speak to a dog's spirit. You do it every time you tell him "good boy" and scratch him behind the ear.

So maybe our visitors have nudged us along spiritually as well.

There's also the possibility that the old gods were living, breathing beings just like the Greeks and Egyptians and so forth claimed they were.

What if you were an interstellar species that landed on some backwoods planet called Earth and you helped them to develop agriculture, mathematics, law, etc and then just left?

Well, due to relativity, those mofos may well still be alive today. If they're out there flying around in spacecraft that can travel at the speed of light, they can STOP time, from their perspective. They could have flown away from here to their home planet or somewhere else for like a year, turned around and came back and from the frame of reference of Earth thousands of years may have passed while Zeus and his peeps haven't aged nearly at all.

These are all very far out concepts however. All I know is that there is far more to all of this than we may ever know and much of it is utterly profound.

What if the abductor type people are interdimensional rather than extraterrestrial? If that's the case they have no care for time whatsoever as they exist outside of our normal 4d reality. We would be totally clueless as to everything about them. What they looked like, how they communicate, what their intentions are, all of it. And if that's the case that is plenty of reason for the Govs of the world to lock the lid down very tight on all of it.

My personal opinion is that we have back engineered technology that came to us one way or another and we have a breakaway civilization. I believe we humans have already colonized other planets in our solar system and beyond.


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kingbob


A link to your full story? I'd love to read it. In my youth I had some terrible experience with what I've come to describe as sleep paralysis/night terrors but they always involved abduction scenarios.

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ThinePreparedAni


What's your take on the crazy cost of the F-35 vs it's known performance specs. The total secrecy around the craft sans a few comments about it's unknown capabilities lead me to believe it's just a front for the actual craft they've been developing.


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stolen from the OT

NAVY admits to not disclosing more info it has on the tic tac...

paging TFA

https://ufos-documenting-the-evidence.blogspot.com/2020/01/office-of-naval-intelligence-oni-admits.html





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This is interesting

Fravor has said that no other footage exists
Others have stated that longer, clearer video exists (including Delonge)

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxe54z/the-navy-has-secret-classified-video-of-an-infamous-ufo-incident

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The Navy Has Secret Classified Video of an Infamous UFO Incident
A records request shows the Pentagon has "discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET" and a "video classified SECRET."

By MJ Banias Jan 10 2020, 9:45am


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The Pentagon has Top Secret-classified briefings and a Secret-classified video about an infamous UFO incident, the U.S. Navy said in response to a public records request. The files concern the 2004 encounter between the USS Nimitz and a with strange unknown aerial objects. In 2017 and 2018, three videos of bizarre aircraft taken by Navy pilots from their fighter planes made national news. In December 2017, The New York Times ran a story about Navy pilots who intercepted a strange object off the coast of San Diego on November 14th, 2004, and managed to shoot video of the object with their F-18’s gun camera. In September of 2019, Motherboard reported that the Navy confirmed the videos contained footage of “unknown aerial phenomena.”


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In response to a Freedom of Information Act request sent by researcher Christian Lambright seeking more information on the incident, the Navy said it had “discovered certain briefing slides that are classified TOP SECRET. A review of these materials indicates that are currently and appropriate Marked and Classified TOP SECRET under Executive Order 13526, and the Original Classification Authority has determined that the release of these materials would cause exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States.” “We have also determined that ONI possesses a video classified SECRET that ONI is not the Original Classification Authority for,” the letter continued. Motherboard independently verified the FOIA response with the U.S. Navy.


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Many in the UFO research community have speculated that it could be the enigmatic ‘Grailian’ full length raw copy of the original 2004 UAP footage. Popular Mechanics reported in November that several original witnesses of the Nimitz incident allegedly saw a longer higher resolution video of the UFO encounter. Gary Voorhis, a Petty Officer who served on the Princeton, a ship in Nimitz fleet, told Popular Mechanics that he “definitely saw video that was roughly 8 to 10 minutes long and a lot more clear.” Others, such as Commander David Fravor, have stated that longer videos of the incident probably do not exist.


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Elizondo, who resigned from the Pentagon in 2017, said that he is “not able to comment further on the existence of a longer video due to my obligations involving my NDA with the Government and the fact that I am no longer employed with the U.S. Government. However, as I stated before, people should not be surprised by the revelation that other videos exist and at greater length"


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I watched one of the alien specials on history channel (i know, i know) and they talked about the moon. Specifically, when Aldrin/Armstrong were supposedly overheard by HAM radio operators talking about spacecraft on the moon. Any truth to this or just wishful shit?


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I watched one of the alien specials on history channel (i know, i know) and they talked about the moon. Specifically, when Aldrin/Armstrong were supposedly overheard by HAM radio operators talking about spacecraft on the moon. Any truth to this or just wishful shit?


I have posted / speculated a bunch about the moon. Lots of mystery up there...

I do think they saw something they could not disclose to the public

Same reason why some of recent dark side of the moon probes have experienced "technical difficulties"

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Fox news segment:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8NsR13bITc

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USS Nimitz UFO encounter - Navy revealed the existence of classified video (Jan. 12, 2020)

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Jan. 12, 2020 - 3:36 - Naval officials confirm the existence of classified documents related to the incident that were used to brief high-ranking members of the U.S. government; insight from UFO expert Nick Pope.



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Bumping this picture for good luck...



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He even feeds his people in need


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Very advanced technology, but none of it comes from extraterrestrials. All home grown.

The DS has planned for decades to use this (fake aliens) as a way to push a one world government. CIA documents!!!


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